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| Tuesday, June 06, 2006
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pnskennel43
Joined:5/26/2006
Location:CORINTH, MS
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| Why is it every breeder known to man can feel free to come to a site like this and then bash or make comments on what each other does or does not do to a breed ... My point is simply this . if a breeder is breeding a dog for waht ever thier reason might be ... and there are some good reasons out there **standards????*** all breeders have one thing in common .. they are on these sites to do what everyone else is here to do sale thier dogs . bottom line ... one wants to say this ** i breed ONLY for the betterment of the breed *** sure this might be true or might not .. who really cares anymore ???? if your on a site like this your doing what every other breeder is doing advertising your dogs be they show quality or pet quality and we all know we all have them both show and pet ... a pedigree you say .. well what alot of people forget tomention is even if your parents are show dogs that does not mean every puppy you produce is show quality so there fore it also means that even if some one has ckc apri aka aca or whatever thier dogs are registered under they too can and most times DO have show quality pups and sale for alot less or alot more and we all know one thing we all get our money for our puppies BOTTOM LINE . so enough already with trying to breeder hype people to deaht sale your dogs and mind your own business ....... and I dont care what you have to say to waht I said we all know whos point was best taken ...
thanks for reading .
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| Tuesday, June 06, 2006
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pnskennel43
Joined:5/26/2006
Location:CORINTH, MS
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| oh and yes I know I misspelled a few words . I did this on purpose because I know alot of you english majors will pick up on the way someone words a sentence because you dont have anything else better to do with your time then proof read ...
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| Tuesday, June 06, 2006
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ssalman
Joined:4/13/2006
Location:MIAMI, FL
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I concur....I pick TO BE but how do we know which breeders are TO BE or NOT TO BE...
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| Saturday, August 26, 2006
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ridgebackpack
Joined:8/26/2006
Location:BALM, FL
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| Q--Why is it every breeder known to man can feel free to come to a site like this and then bash or make comments on what each other does or does not do to a breed ...
A--As with everything in life there is a right way and a wrong way to breed dogs. There are good reputable breeders and bad breeders. Good breeders health test ALL breeding stock. The know what the breeds purpose is and prove their worth in an event. Good breeders do more with their dogs then just breed them. That is the real bottom line.
Q--My point is simply this . if a breeder is breeding a dog for what ever their reason might be ... and there are some good reasons out there standards???? all breeders have one thing in common .. they are on these sites to do what everyone else is here to do sale their dogs . bottom line ... one wants to say this I breed ONLY for the betterment of the breed sure this might be true or might not .. who really cares anymore ????
A--Well the family looking for a puppy is the one who should care. The show breeders are in most cases the ones who health screen OFA Penn Hip eye Cerf BAER. I really could care less how you breed or how much you breed BUT do it right Dont produce health problems dont add to rescue problems by not being responsible for every dog you produce if and when it needs to be rehomed.
Q-- if your on a site like this your doing what every other breeder is doing advertising your dogs be they show quality or pet quality and we all know we all have them both show and pet ... a pedigree you say .. well what allot of people forget tomention is even if your parents are show dogs that does not mean every puppy you produce is show quality so there fore it also means that even if some one has ckc apri aka aca or whatever their dogs are registered under they too can and most times DO have show quality pups and sale for allot less or allot more and we all know one thing we all get our money for our puppies BOTTOM LINE .
A-- You are very correct when you say all breeders get pet puppies in a litter. I have pet quality in every litter I produce even out of Champion parents. THIS is the reason pet/companion only dogs should not be bred there are pets available in show bred litters. As far as show quality puppies really there is no such thing at 8 weeks old. Show potential is the correct term. A dog show is not a beauty contest. It is a way for serious breeders to have others evaluate their breeding stock. There is way more to it then a pretty color or pretty face. If you dont compete and you dont know what is really correct for your breed how can you really sell a show potential pup if you dont know what it takes to be a show dog? Just because one buys a race horse who was born in Kentucky does not mean its going to have what it takes to run in the Derby. If you want a real race horse you go to the farms who produce winners.
As for registries you said if some one has ckc apri aka aca or whatever their dogs are registered under they too can and most times DO have show quality pups and sale
if someone wants a show potential pup why would they get a pup registered with a registry you cant even enter in shows? Now I am no expert with these reg. you have listed infact never heard of a few of them but I do know AKC IS the oldest registry in America shows like Westminster and Eukanuba as seen on Animal Planet are AKC events. It does not allow any of these others registries to enter dogs in their shows. Even the UKC the second oldest does not come close to the AKC. In my breed we found that the number 1 dog in UKC had defeated 90 dogs of the same breed to earn the title number 1 but in the AKC the number 1 dog had defeated 1200. You do the math.
Q--so enough already with trying to breeder hype people to deaht sale your dogs and mind your own business ....... and I dont care what you have to say to what I said we all know whose point was best taken ... thanks for reading .
A--I am one who looks at actions much more than words. I PROVE all my claims. I have show potential pups I prove it in the showring with Champion titled dogs. I say my pups are performance prospects and prove it on the field with my adults. I say my dogs are healthy and prove it with OFA certifications. I say I care about the future of my breed and prove it by taking back any dog I bred and not allowing my dogs to go to rescue or shelters. Do my pups cost more than someone who does not do these things? Im sure they do. Jeannie Armstrong
Tuesday June 06 2006 at 121103 AM
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| Monday, December 11, 2006
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Shadomoon
Joined:12/9/2006
Location:WHITAKER, PA
| RE breeders to be or not to be
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| Gotta love backyard breeders and puppymills. You know they all ask the same things.
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| Tuesday, February 05, 2008
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eternal_flame_pits
Joined:1/18/2008
Location:RIVERVIEW, FL
| RE breeders to be or not to be
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I agree actions speak louder than words if you talk the talk you should also walk the walk. Proove your show potential in the ring otherwise keep your trap shut and dont write a check you cant cash
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| Sunday, February 10, 2008
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targonrotts
Joined:10/21/2007
Location:MIAMI, FL
| RE breeders to be or not to be
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| i dont bash anyone...i only try to educate. unfortunately it is attitudes like these why all over the country now we are battling mandatory spay and neuter lawsdog limits breeder restrictions.
i believe in breeding for the betterment of the breed. health screen your dogs. check out the OFA website and look up CHIC for your breed. those are the tests you should perform on your breeding stock to better the odds that the person who gets a puppy from you has better odds at a good healthy pup. ofa website www.offa.org.
show your dog conformation obedienceagilityschutzhund. breed dogs that have something to offer to the breed.
be involved.
if we continue not to care and continue just to make puppies eventually it will be just as illegal as having your own grow house.
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| Saturday, August 16, 2008
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shepherds by design
Joined:4/16/2008
Location:KINGS, IL
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| Targonrotts--------- you are very right. We here breed our shepherds to improve the breed and nothing more OFA our dogs along with breed surveys are a must and people wonder whey our pups are so much well they just need to do the math.
Im not to sure whether this is the right sight to advertise our litters as we have had no inquires as of yet.
As for crying cause people are bashing others well if they dont like it than maybe there is a reason that its happening
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| Saturday, January 31, 2009
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rbolton
Joined:8/8/2008
Location:WISCONSIN RAPIDS, WI
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| i just like puppies. We keep our puppies in the basement. They are so cute
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| Saturday, January 31, 2009
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rbolton
Joined:8/8/2008
Location:WISCONSIN RAPIDS, WI
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| i just like puppies. We keep our puppies in the basement. They are so cute
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| Friday, March 11, 2011
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woodsidedobermans
Joined:3/4/2011
Location:RILEYVILLE, VA
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| I think people need to just mind their own business. The only reason people bash others is cause they want to get rid of the competition. As far a shelters and rescue groups if you want to keep animals out of these places then stop breeding because thats the only sure fire way to do it. Reputable breeders as well as BYB are all responsible for this. All this crap about breeding for the betterment of the dog, well ok if thats what your truly doing stop charging money for your pups and give them to good homes but breeders wont do that...and why cause they want to make money. Now I have nothing against breeders but come on lets keep it real, and one last thing some people have nothing else better to do than sit on a computer all day and look on website and give their unsolicited opinions. I say if people keep their noses in their own business this world would be a much better place
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| Tuesday, December 13, 2011
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Kimmelot
Joined:6/30/2008
Location:MANTECA, CA
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| Why not google facts before spewing how breeders are loading dogs into shelters.. it sounds like youve been listening to too much Rescue gossip.
Here are some of the facts 3.7 million animals were euthanized in the nation’s shelters in 2008, There are 6.2 million puppies born every year, according to statistics from legitimate research posted on the National Animal Interest Alliance website , of the ones born the facts are 29 from show breeders
21 from amateur breeders
41 mixed breeds mutts
8 from pet stores and puppy mills
Take note that the Animals put to sleep include ALL companion animals, fighting roosters, horses, cats, rabbits etc.. So of the 3.7 million animals put to sleep just say about 1/2 where Dogs. Thats 6.2 million - half of 3.7 million is 1.7 milllion dogs = 4.5 million dogs that WHERE NOT put into a shelter that where born.
The truth is that for every 3-5 dogs born, one will go into the shelter- look at the precentiage of dogs born in America - it truly reflects what is in the shelters. Good breeders always take there dogs back and have strong contracts. The Price of a puppy needs to be high to avoid buyers that will buy impulsively, and could become the next puppy dumper. Our prices also need to be comparatively higher than Rescues that are doing a good cause so that people are encouraged to adopt a pet vs buy a new one.
This is the truth- For every dog that goes into a shelter - another dog dies.. unless its rescued.. as there is only so much room a shelter can hold. Education is everything.. Breeders especially need to push for responsible ownership, spaying and neutering of animals that are not chosen as quality, and they need to ban together for the betterment of there breed.
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